tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post2061374257177438975..comments2024-02-05T00:22:41.291-08:00Comments on Orthodox Messianic Judaism: This is a Bizarre Coincidence: Rabbi Rudolph's Sermon This Past Shabbat Touched on Everything That Happened to Me This Past WeekUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-13712120334901092862014-09-21T20:21:19.195-07:002014-09-21T20:21:19.195-07:00Then according to Rudolph's perspective, unbel...Then according to Rudolph's perspective, unbelieving Jews are cut off and are no longer Jewish, nonsense. <br /><br />Jews remain Jews despite what their parents do. In fact, we have a perfect example. In Joshua 5, we see the children of Israel going through circumcision, because their parents who perished in the wilderness did not keep this commandment. Guess who was not cut off from the covenant?<br /><br /><br /><br />So much emphasis put on identity, what a mess, I hope I never have to visit his congregation, disturbing to say the least.Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-49683971483802950822014-09-18T05:19:39.732-07:002014-09-18T05:19:39.732-07:00Jon,
Excellent points. And thanks for being the...Jon,<br /><br /><br />Excellent points. And thanks for being the first to comment on this difficult and heated subject.<br /><br /><br />I think it's interesting that Rudolph said:<br /><br /><br />"It is also a matter of choice, a decision on the part of the Jewish parents, to enter their child into the covenant. "<br /><br /><br />Did the parents create the Jewish soul? Or did G-d? It seems to me that two Jewish parents will have a Jewish child--the child will be born Jewish from day one! Circumcision has nothing whatsoever to do with it--except that failure to ratify the covenant through circumcision will potentially separate the child from the people to which he belonged from birth. My point is that circumcision doesn't create the Jewish soul. The Jewish soul is pre-existent. <br /><br /><br />How does Rudolph not see this? Or am I misreading him?Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-37666808728144533142014-09-17T20:19:00.483-07:002014-09-17T20:19:00.483-07:00Where do we see a formal conversion ceremony incum...Where do we see a formal conversion ceremony incumbent upon a Jew who wishes to honor and uphold a covenant which his ancestors forsook? More importantly, if Jew and Gentile alike are fellow heirs, members of the household, and citizens, isn't such a person already included by means if that mechanism, rather than by the mechanism of their parents' fidelity to covanental obligation?Jonnoreply@blogger.com