tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post4773630232870837375..comments2024-02-05T00:22:41.291-08:00Comments on Orthodox Messianic Judaism: The War on Messianic Judaism: Eitan Bar & Moti Vaknin of "One for Israel" Strike AgainUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-59443743803742198592016-08-29T22:21:18.542-07:002016-08-29T22:21:18.542-07:00One generation shall praise Your works to another,...One generation shall praise Your works to another,<br />And shall declare Your mighty and remarkable acts.<br />5 <br />On the glorious splendor of Your majesty<br />And on Your wonderful works, I will meditate.RonB1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/10629604529932844821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-38532934784790674752015-08-09T08:20:47.426-07:002015-08-09T08:20:47.426-07:00Real Breslov,
I just wrote a new post especially ...Real Breslov,<br /><br />I just wrote a new post especially for you--because I love you very much and want you to know the Truth:<br /><br />http://orthodoxmessianic.blogspot.com/2015/08/censoring-face-of-messiah-why-jewish.htmlPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-76217034807088376992015-08-07T08:38:50.120-07:002015-08-07T08:38:50.120-07:00"“He has blinded their eyes and hardened thei..."“He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they do not see with their eyes, understand with their hearts, and do t’shuvah, so that I could heal them.”"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-62912976063057532282015-08-07T07:37:58.626-07:002015-08-07T07:37:58.626-07:00You're right to be in favor of the oral Torah,...You're right to be in favor of the oral Torah, since the Torah itself testifies to it (Devarim 17) and commands all of Israel to heed the words of the Sages received the how-to guide on the mitzvot from Moses.<br /><br />However, I am curious how you cope with the fact that "God is not a man" and that the idea of HaShem being a physical entity is totally against what the Torah has ever taught. Perhaps you do not believe in the divinity of your messiah, but that only leads to other questions.<br /><br />As a teen, I began exploring Rabbinic literature and I realized that there is wealth of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge that is unparalleled and that I had been lied to by Messianic family and friends about the authenticity of the oral Torah, that they said it is false while not even having any knowledge of what it is, hardly.<br /><br />After I reached this realization, I simply read Samuel, Kings, and Isaiah and I realized that the whole hope was for a re-established Davidic Kingdom wherein the Messiah, a descendant of David, would be a warrior who would return Israel to our former state. The one you believe in messiah simply did not do this. He wasn't a warrior, he didn't create any sort of world peace, redemption, or anything of the like, instead the opposite happened. You may say this is part of the plan of his messiahship, but we never find anything about the messiah dying and coming back later to complete an unfinished job. The closes thing we saw to the real Messiah was Bar Kokhba who was - get this - a warrior and did a good job beating the Romans pretty badly. Unfortunately, he wasn't successful entirely and as soon as he died, the wise Sages obviously realized he was not the promised Messiah. It would be more believable to continue a belief that Bar Kokhba would return to be the messiah rather than to believe the one you believe in, because at the least the former started the actual job!<br /><br />I believe the Messianic movement is a stepping stone out of Christianity, and I hope to see you all get out all the way as I did.Real Breslovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11360337281146202544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-49661151150149291922015-08-05T22:09:29.730-07:002015-08-05T22:09:29.730-07:00Many from the side of Christianity who come to the...Many from the side of Christianity who come to the Messianic/Hebraic perspective, are quick to point out that Christianity teaches many false doctrines, probably the worst doctrine espoused by Christianity, is Replacement Theology, this doctrine in itself, effects all aspects of Bible interpretation, from God's purpose with Israel, the Law of Moses, the New Covenant, eschatology, etc and it is a detrimental theology that continues to perpetuate blindness and lies, as you noted Peter. Yet most never will point that same finger at Judaism, at least in an objective way, usually there is this blind bias towards Judaism, people leave Christianity and then just become enamored in Modern Judaism, and thus Christianity is wrong and thus Judaism is right, but not so fast. Judaism has blind theologies as well, that perpetuates blindness and lies, especially concerning the Messiah. Thus the better approach is acknowledging truth for what it is, instead of just falsely claiming one is wrong and the other is right. Christianity while being wrong in certain areas is not completely wrong, we should not treat Christianity as the saying goes, "throwing the baby out with the bath water." Neither should we treat Judaism that way either. I don't agree with Eitan Bar or Moti Vaknin in their theology concerning Torah, or in their blanket statements towards Judaism, however they are a much needed niche, because Israel needs to know the Messiah, and most under the name of Messianic Judaism are more concerned with fitting in with Modern Judaism and their personal identity, rather than spreading Messiah to Judaism, doctrines such as Unrecognized Mediation continues to perpetuate this blindness. So in this case Messianic Judaism won't fill that gap.<br /><br />So while we may disagree with them, most of Israel does not even believe in God, and many secular Jews are not interested in Modern Judaism, so maybe at the very least, One For Israel can reach them and hopefully after, the rest of the details can be sorted out in time, they are doing a job, that many in Messianic Judaism are not, so we can be thankful for them in this regard.Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-52596948145135902822015-08-05T12:59:31.458-07:002015-08-05T12:59:31.458-07:00Great post Peter, those guys have been hanging aro...Great post Peter, those guys have been hanging around the church to often. This is why we must stay together. Granted as you stated Christians are our brothers; nevertheless, we must know when to refrain from them. You notice there theology has been integrated within MJ. Your not alone on this one. You ever notice they are quick the divulge of oral Torah. It's oral Torah that said certain passages are messianic. Yet, they are willing to rid themselves of this. My my. I honestly think they don't know the ramifications. What do you all think?Giftedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579166963634923048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-73295375262149399202015-08-05T10:01:47.805-07:002015-08-05T10:01:47.805-07:00RE: "...it will die very, very hard."
...RE: "...it will die very, very hard."<br /><br />Agreed. These guys will probably come around.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-25418637579040505462015-08-05T06:54:50.131-07:002015-08-05T06:54:50.131-07:00The new publication The Torah's Goal? flat exp...The new publication The Torah's Goal? flat exposes the authors' dispensational biases. Such theology passed its expiration date a while back--but it will die very, very hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com