tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post7014488048476768690..comments2024-02-05T00:22:41.291-08:00Comments on Orthodox Messianic Judaism: By the Way...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-69404670280987590492013-05-03T14:37:58.109-07:002013-05-03T14:37:58.109-07:00"And with that, I think I heard enough from y..."And with that, I think I heard enough from you."<br /><br />Why Gene? When you bash Christians and rant about the evil of the way they present Jesus and the things they said about the Jews...<br /><br />I'm sure you were recognizing the wrong they were doing, without judging them. <br /><br />Right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-75490145418231696882013-05-03T13:40:11.678-07:002013-05-03T13:40:11.678-07:00"You make it seems like G-d's court is li..."You make it seems like G-d's court is like a merciless kangaroo court in some third world hell hole dictatorship, where no defense will be allowed or reasonable and you are judged "guilty" before you even get there."<br /><br />No I don't. You are just showing the typical "Jewish" stiff neck.<br /><br />What I'm saying is more along the lines of this:<br /><br />If a ,am committed adultery by lusting after a woman, as per Yeshua's degree.....it won't be a good defense to justify himself by blaming the woman he lusted for due to her good looks.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-14424446672960513892013-05-03T12:28:45.579-07:002013-05-03T12:28:45.579-07:00"I don't judge men"
And with that, ..."I don't judge men"<br /><br />And with that, I think I heard enough from you.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-65019726195866763312013-05-03T12:27:47.586-07:002013-05-03T12:27:47.586-07:00"Not a very good defense for those who will s..."Not a very good defense for those who will stand before the Almighty Judge and give a reason for their unbelief. How would that go? I can just hear it..."<br /><br />Thankfully, you won't be the judge but a defendant yourself, like everyone else. The Righteous Judge will determine each case individually. You make it seems like G-d's court is like a merciless kangaroo court in some third world hell hole dictatorship, where no defense will be allowed or reasonable and you are judged "guilty" before you even get there. Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-9441589510978571272013-05-03T12:23:34.083-07:002013-05-03T12:23:34.083-07:00"No excuses, OK? The same way you judge Jews/..."No excuses, OK? The same way you judge Jews/Israel's response to Jesus, you should judge Christians representation of him as well."<br /><br />I don't judge men, that's not what Yeshua taught me. He taught me that "Jews/Israel's response to Jesus" <br /><br />will be as he said it would be, <br /><br />he already knew what Israel's response would be and it was prophesied long ago. Funny, he never mentioned it would all be the Gentiles fault.<br /><br />In spite of all that evil they did and continue in today, he will again choose Israel and take out the hard heart, replace it was a flesh heart. <br /><br />and so I "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-70381113964979965932013-05-03T12:16:54.291-07:002013-05-03T12:16:54.291-07:00"I mean to say, "the Church" failed..."I mean to say, "the Church" failed the past 2000 years concerning Jews."<br /><br />Not a very good defense for those who will stand before the Almighty Judge and give a reason for their unbelief. How would that go? I can just hear it...<br /><br />"Great King, it's not our fault. Those Gentiles you brought among us gave to us and we did eat". Its those Gentiles fault we refused to hear Moses, its their fault we stoned the prophets you sent to us, its their fault we had hearts of stone and stiff necks. Its the Gentiles fault we killed your son thinking to take what belongs to him as our own. Its their fault we did not hear the one you sent, like unto Moses, speaking your words."<br /><br />Actually, it sounds a lot like Adam blaming G-d..."the woman you gave me" rather than taking responsibility for his own actions.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-55400801210721654112013-05-03T12:03:17.794-07:002013-05-03T12:03:17.794-07:00"It is not those men who have blinded unbelie..."It is not those men who have blinded unbelievers from Messiah."<br /><br />No excuses, OK? The same way you judge Jews/Israel's response to Jesus, you should judge Christians representation of him as well.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-57210616050161575232013-05-03T12:00:55.812-07:002013-05-03T12:00:55.812-07:00I mean to say, "the Church" failed the p...I mean to say, "the Church" failed the past 2000 years concerning Jews. Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-15561255920757830672013-05-03T11:59:53.761-07:002013-05-03T11:59:53.761-07:00A lot of things happened in the last two thousand ...<em>A lot of things happened in the last two thousand years. Jews have heard certainly heard from the "foolish nations", or rather they have felt it, but most of it wasn't very good if you know your history. Were Jews provoked by the nations to know their Messiah or were they further estranged from him by their actions?</em><br /><br />Well said... the past 2000 years have failed to accomplish or even commit the vision Paul had in Romans. Instead the opposite happened.Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-72599880717746506692013-05-03T11:51:45.729-07:002013-05-03T11:51:45.729-07:00While I can not defend every person throughout his...While I can not defend every person throughout history that taught the word and preached the gospel, sometimes in error...<br /><br />It is not those men who have blinded unbelievers from Messiah.<br /><br />"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them."<br /><br />And the Master himself said that by his coming, those who could see would be made blind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-42242567138095400282013-05-03T11:26:07.264-07:002013-05-03T11:26:07.264-07:00"Why, won't they listen to a man of "..."Why, won't they listen to a man of "a foolish nation"?"<br /><br />A lot of things happened in the last two thousand years. Jews have heard certainly heard from the "foolish nations", or rather they have felt it, but most of it wasn't very good if you know your history. Were Jews provoked by the nations to know their Messiah or were they further estranged from him by their actions?<br /><br />Paul believed that Jesus was coming in his own generation. He didn't seem to foresee what the "foolish nations" springing forth from the very congregations which he himself helped set up, even people who claimed Jesus as their own savior, would do in Jesus' name to Paul's own people.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-44957793930159727452013-05-03T11:05:53.647-07:002013-05-03T11:05:53.647-07:00"Somehow I think that you're not the pers..."Somehow I think that you're not the person to do that."<br /><br />Why, won't they listen to a man of "a foolish nation"?<br /><br />"Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.<br /><br />But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.<br /><br />But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.<br /><br />But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-14368403408666947482013-05-03T10:58:44.179-07:002013-05-03T10:58:44.179-07:00"experiencing""experiencing"Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-36280534930147023912013-05-03T10:58:13.471-07:002013-05-03T10:58:13.471-07:00"I always knew that in the end, you and me wi..."I always knew that in the end, you and me will come to an agreement....."<br /><br />Dan, are you experience problems with reading comprehension:)?Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-17429729565212002322013-05-03T10:56:38.318-07:002013-05-03T10:56:38.318-07:00Right...This Hashivenu, BE, UMJC stuff are knock o...Right...This Hashivenu, BE, UMJC stuff are knock offs that are getting old...I always knew that in the end, you and me will come to an agreement.....Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-23031833009046730642013-05-03T10:48:38.771-07:002013-05-03T10:48:38.771-07:00That will depend on whether one of the parties is ...<em>That will depend on whether one of the parties is bent on getting the other party to accept their position or not -- which isn't a healthy way to have a disagreement. </em><br /><br />That is what is happening, according to BE, One Law theology is a form of replacement theology, you even stated this yourself. The fact that BE wants a movement that is dominantly Jewish, means that Gentiles have to leave, at least in the majority numbers, this is the reason for the push to go back to church, they are hoping to curve the gentile attendance. <br /><br /><em>There are ways of disagreeing though that don't require "butting heads." If we can disagree in a charitable and balanced way, we don't have to require the other side to accept our position if they want to be close to, or in community with us. In this way we don't have to sacrifice either truth (as we understand it) or affection.</em><br /><br />If people consider your theology to be replacement theology, they are not going to be understanding of your beliefs, and second, a community involves so much more than your simple individual beliefs. What they teach your children or how you are allowed to participate in a community will be affected by their theology. So I can't see your method working in a communal aspect, it can work in a simple debate online, but not community.Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-45824498983088063672013-05-03T10:35:09.447-07:002013-05-03T10:35:09.447-07:00"You pay cheap, you get cheap"
It was o..."You pay cheap, you get cheap"<br /><br />It was on sale since most buyers didn't want it (too old-fashioned they said, a model from two millenia ago). Instead, a lot of folks were telling me to buy some cheap Chinese knock-off that looked like the real thing, that is currently all the rage among the masses watching too much MTV (Messianic TV). But I know those won't last and will break apart from actual use, only to be replaced by some next fad.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-6663566145043242772013-05-03T10:21:16.137-07:002013-05-03T10:21:16.137-07:00You pay cheap, you get cheap...that is what I tell...You pay cheap, you get cheap...that is what I tell my wife when something she bought goes kaput....Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-63606106306559662052013-05-03T10:17:01.569-07:002013-05-03T10:17:01.569-07:00You know me, can't resist a good deal.You know me, can't resist a good deal.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-81290932151660149272013-05-03T10:09:46.960-07:002013-05-03T10:09:46.960-07:00"I got it on sale online, together with my Me..."I got it on sale online, together with my Messianic Mezuzah and Messianic Shofar!"<br /><br />you always go for the stupid tzatzkes on sale...Like BE....Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-37310976890296780122013-05-03T10:03:13.472-07:002013-05-03T10:03:13.472-07:00"Is this where you got your Galut mentality, ..."Is this where you got your Galut mentality, or you acquired it before, in Russia?"<br /><br />I got it on sale online, together with my Messianic Mezuzah and Messianic Shofar!Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-68920463232263860802013-05-03T09:58:01.968-07:002013-05-03T09:58:01.968-07:00"I have also been in congregations with Genti..."I have also been in congregations with Gentiles who make me proud and honored to be in their company."<br /><br />Wow...You have been around....Is this where you got your Galut mentality, or you acquired it before, in Russia?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-44877330257974047602013-05-03T09:51:41.842-07:002013-05-03T09:51:41.842-07:00"But, whosoever is ashamed of Yeshua, he will..."But, whosoever is ashamed of Yeshua, he will be ashamed of them."<br /><br />One more thing. I am proud to know my Messiah. However, I am deeply ashamed of what he was turned into by the haters of Jews, into someone wholly unrecognizable, an enemy of Israel, Torah and Judaism. THAT false image of the Messiah is indeed what I am unashamedly ashamed of - ashamed and deeply grieved. It is to those who preached and followed that false "messiah" will the true Messiah say that he never knew them, workers of inequity.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-13320642028771785562013-05-03T09:35:41.576-07:002013-05-03T09:35:41.576-07:00" Jews in MJ are ashamed of the Gentiles who ..." Jews in MJ are ashamed of the Gentiles who come in..."<br /><br />Wrong, Dan, they are ashamed because of those, either Jews (as that shofar-blowing "apostle" lady) or Gentiles (those who claim they are "Israel" and twist Judaism to their liking), who do shameful things. <br /><br />I have also been in congregations with Gentiles who make me proud and honored to be in their company.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-91354317666025801742013-05-03T09:31:36.119-07:002013-05-03T09:31:36.119-07:00"If so, which mainstream synagogues are allow..."If so, which mainstream synagogues are allowing the preaching of Christ?"<br /><br />I think you have it wrong. Jews have been <i>preached</i> "Christ" aplenty in the last two thousand years, but they have been mostly shown satan, the hater of Jews and Judaism instead. Bait and switch. Before all the preaching, perhaps they should been <i>shown</i> the Jewish Messiah. Somehow I think that you're not the person to do that.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.com/noreply@blogger.com