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Yes, I th..."But, hey, I could be wrong."<br /><br />Yes, I think you are wrong.<br /><br />Yeshua was highlighting the manner in which the Pharisees dispense their halacha inconsistently. The were using unjust weights in regards to their halacha. They exonerated David, who clearly violated Torah commandments, yet they condemn Yeshua and His disciples for failing to adhere to laws found nowhere in the Torah. In doing so, they have shown that they consider they halacha above the written Torah.<br /><br />Yeshua is arguing Kal Vachomer here. If david according to them is considered innocent violating clear torah commandments, how much should they consider Yeshua and Hid disciples innocent?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-65977078220978269642012-09-07T12:03:31.306-07:002012-09-07T12:03:31.306-07:00I was reading a good book about halacha the other ...I was reading a good book about halacha the other day, Not in Heaven: the Nature and Function of Halakha, by Eliezer Berkovits and he said it nicely:<br /><br />"Halakha is the application of the Torah to life. But since there is no such thing as life in general, since it is always a certain form of life at a specific time of history, in a specific situation, Torah application means application to a specific time in a specific situation. The result of this process I call Halakhic Judaism."<br /><br />And as to knowing when a specific commandment can be broken he had this to say:<br /><br />"We have seen it to be a well-established form of functioning Halakha that in case of a conflict between a specific law and another supervening concern of the Torah, one does the will of God by eliminating the specific law in the case at hand."<br /><br />Also, if a mitzvah is given to the Levite and it conflicts with something else then that's where you need a system of halacha for how to deal with such a conflict. But, right now that doesn't come up too often since we don't have a Temple.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-30094850085211625572012-09-07T11:48:22.140-07:002012-09-07T11:48:22.140-07:00So in your opinion what determines, when a command...So in your opinion what determines, when a commandment can be broken?<br /><br />Yeshua said, the levites work on the sabbath and are innocent... <br /><br />But if the Levites are commanded to work on the Sabbath, then how are they breaking the Sabbath to begin with? Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-18310377249646019742012-09-07T10:56:43.713-07:002012-09-07T10:56:43.713-07:00I think He used their methodology on determining w...I think He used their methodology on determining what was legal or illegal to show that there are many examples of illegal activities going on, so how do that deal with those? They don't.<br /><br />I am also reminded of Acts 10, where Peter says that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with a gentile, but unlawful here is clearly not referring to the Torah, but a legal structure that taught such.Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-83471141444752710082012-09-07T10:49:41.040-07:002012-09-07T10:49:41.040-07:00I can see the differentiation. Though it seems li...I can see the differentiation. Though it seems like Yeshua implied that the activity of plucking was illegal by some sort of standard in that He cited to David's illegal activity with the shewbread and how it was justified by overriding need. Do you see what I mean? Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-75263837830681199752012-09-07T10:47:22.440-07:002012-09-07T10:47:22.440-07:00There's several things to note in Mark 2:
(1)...There's several things to note in Mark 2:<br /><br />(1) Yeshua didn't do any of the "plucking";<br />(2) Yeshua said that David did something illegal but was justified because of a need. In context, that need was not just hunger but to have strength as David carried out the Divinely appointed mission of establishing his Davidic kingdom and kingship.<br /><br />Since Yeshua cited to an illegal activity that was justified through overriding circumstances, it follows that Yeshua felt that His disciples were also doing something illegal but that they were justified in a way that was similar to how David was justified.<br /><br />But, hey, I could be wrong.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-44071284769124023322012-09-07T10:44:26.052-07:002012-09-07T10:44:26.052-07:00" When you enter your neighbor's standing...<br /><br />" When you enter your neighbor's standing grain, then you may pluck the heads with your hands, but you shall not wield a sickle in your neighbor's standing grain." (Deut. 23:25).<br /><br />Note, to "wield a sickle" (=harvesting)is differentiated from plucking heads of grain. So while the Torah itself prohibits harvesting on the Shabbat, plucking heads of grain is not defines as harvesting and would therefore be allowed.Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-7056534191357451282012-09-07T10:08:28.224-07:002012-09-07T10:08:28.224-07:00How does Deut. 23 apply to Shabbat? How does Deut. 23 apply to Shabbat? Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-20035122988248051642012-09-07T09:00:34.045-07:002012-09-07T09:00:34.045-07:00Just the written Torah.
Shabbatical year and Shab...Just the written Torah.<br /><br />Shabbatical year and Shabbat day, plucking is allowed.Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-17206225812011237022012-09-07T08:57:22.005-07:002012-09-07T08:57:22.005-07:00What would be the distinction? Also, so I'm o...What would be the distinction? Also, so I'm on the same page, are you looking at Shulchan or Mishneh Torah?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742087402667360623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-65672565799767766822012-09-06T15:12:59.695-07:002012-09-06T15:12:59.695-07:00The Torah forbids harvesting on the Shabbat (Ex. 3...The Torah forbids harvesting on the Shabbat (Ex. 34:21). But harvesting is not plucking. See the laws of Shemitta (The Shabbatical year). Deut. 23:24.Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.com