tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post7948936559188459018..comments2024-02-05T00:22:41.291-08:00Comments on Orthodox Messianic Judaism: Tolerated Guests or Adopted Sons? Responding to James Pyle's Recent Post Entitled "The Non-Covenant Relationship with God"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-35094749191102979052018-10-09T00:56:15.240-07:002018-10-09T00:56:15.240-07:00Bunk. Moshe the prophet anointed Aaron Moshiach f...Bunk. Moshe the prophet anointed Aaron Moshiach from the Torah. The prophet Sh'muel anionted Shaul as Moshiach. Moshiach/anointed with oil/ requires a dedication. What did the prophet Sh'muel "compliment" the anointing of Aaron by the prophet Moshe? Law Giver. HaShem rejected the Moshiach of the house of Sha'ul b/c he failed to obey the commandments. Therefore when the prophet Sh'muel anointed David as Moshiach, he did so based upon the precondition that he dedicated David holy to HaShem to keep and observe the commandments.<br /><br />Korach rebelled against Moshe. His ''replacement theology'' sought to replace Aaron as Moshiach.<br /><br />The noise new testament [it never once brings the Name of the God of Israel - a violation of the 1st Commandment of Sinai - its substitution theology directly compares to the rebellion of Korah and Yerav'am! Limiting the reality of the Gods to 3 physical dimensions defines idolatry. Xtianity must have a physical jesus! Moshehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01712178495758380693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-84450066770181162322016-07-31T11:04:32.575-07:002016-07-31T11:04:32.575-07:00Steve,
Dan admitted this below when he said:
"...Steve,<br />Dan admitted this below when he said:<br />"<br />Dan BenzviApril 3, 2016 at 1:52 AM<br />I will answer my own question:Deut. 7:3-4. You are right Gene<br />"Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106034649862592473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-66324500434229431692016-07-31T11:03:22.584-07:002016-07-31T11:03:22.584-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106034649862592473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-72425406339966420472016-07-27T18:12:43.096-07:002016-07-27T18:12:43.096-07:00remi4321,
I assume your wife's father is Jewi...remi4321,<br /><br />I assume your wife's father is Jewish since if it were her mother she would be Jewish, as well as your children. And on a side note, no one is half-Jewish. You are either Jewish or you're not. You can say she is of Jewish decent and that would be accurate. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15072025119947432741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-83784574564884974822016-07-27T18:01:46.840-07:002016-07-27T18:01:46.840-07:00Jason,
Scripture does indeed preclude Jews (belie...Jason,<br /><br />Scripture does indeed preclude Jews (believers or not) from marrying outside of Judaism. In D'varim (Deuteronomy) 7.3-4 G-d says:<br /><br />"Nor shall you make marriages with them (the non-Jews). You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods;..."<br /> <br />This has long been interpreted at face value, and no Jew may marry a non-Jew. If a Jewish girl marries a non-Jewish man the fear is that he will lead their children in his religion and not a Jewish one. If a Jewish boy marries a non-Jewish woman then the children are not even Jewish thereby losing their Jewish identity. This is true if one is a believer in Yeshua or not, the commandments still apply.<br /><br />The term, "other gods" can also be interpreted to mean those ideals and ‘isms’ that do not conform to the dictates of the Torah, and before which one bows his head and dedicates his heart and soul, according to Chabad.org of which I also agree.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15072025119947432741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-52226666386134013442016-06-26T11:17:46.060-07:002016-06-26T11:17:46.060-07:00Good day (New to this site)
I would like to add w...Good day (New to this site)<br /><br />I would like to add what I have learned. When Eve was made, she was not made independently of Adam, but was flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone. Adam before he sinned was obviously without sin. The scriptures from Genesis shows the whole purpose of God was to raise up his anointed one, and reverse the state of Man. Thus the anointed one was to be Ben-Adam (Son of Man) as Adam was before he sinned. The Israelites also came to David (the anointed one of his day) and said "behold, we are your bone and your flesh" which is a foreshadow of the unblemished anointed one yet to be revealed. Since the anointed one is also proclaimed as the son of God, and the only one qualified to give his life, he alone are the only begotten (brought forth) son of God, and Israel is preserved in him alone regardless of natural born Israelites.<br /><br />Thus, all natural Israelites have to become the flesh and bone of the Anointed-One who alone holds the incorruptible heritage of Israel. And he is the first fruits of the harvest, the assurance and salvation the Mighty One gives unto the world. Hence, Abraham and all who were assured in the Mighty One are ready for the Anointed One. Since Abraham was assured in the Mighty One, it was counted for righteousness. And the Anointed One is the only one to completely reflect the righteousness of the Mighty One according to his Father's will. So Abraham being assured in the Mighty One, had the spirit of the Anointed One with him, because he is the Assurance given unto the world. Though Abraham and all who was assured in the Mighty-One was ready for the harvest, they had to wait for the Anointed One as first fruits of the harvest, because, "if the first fruits is set apart so is the whole lump". So everyone who had assurance in the Mighty-One long before there was an Israel is grafted into the Anointed-One. And natural Israel who received the expectation of the promise likewise has to be grafted into his body, and as it is said "a light to the nations" so all humans assured in him are grafted into his body. Just like Eve was not made independent of Adam, so no one whether Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Israel, or the nations, no one is complete without becoming the flesh and bones of the anointed one. For he alone is set apart by the breath of the Mighty-One as his only heir and heir of the heritage promised to Israel.<br /><br />Yeshua is my Master.<br />José<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-3591882074561035832016-05-06T10:01:09.457-07:002016-05-06T10:01:09.457-07:00Excellent post showing the need to see "The R...Excellent post showing the need to see <a href="http://bereanclassroom.org/rdv20000.html" rel="nofollow"><b>"The Right Division"</b></a> !! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332691398457332355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-33571142251841355642016-04-19T00:00:21.762-07:002016-04-19T00:00:21.762-07:00Hi Peter,
Good use of Pauline Scriptures to show ...Hi Peter,<br /><br />Good use of Pauline Scriptures to show Gentile EQUALITY with the Jew today in God's eyes. Would like to add what is the cause for the failure to see this by most of the Lord's people today.<br /><br />Believe what is responsible is the failure to see the <a href="http://bereanclassroom.org/rdv10000.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Right Division</strong></a> between Israel's prophesied earthly hope (Acts 3:19-26) and the heavenly hope (Ephesians 1:3; 2:6) of the "Church, which is His Body" (Ephesians 1:22-23) that was "hidden from ages" UNTIL revealed to and by Paul for the Gentiles (Ephesians 3:1-6),<br /><br />God bless,Jordan (<a href="http://bereanclassroom.org" rel="nofollow"><strong>Berean Classroom</strong></a>)<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332691398457332355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-61623556845061231312016-04-03T01:52:44.506-07:002016-04-03T01:52:44.506-07:00I will answer my own question:Deut. 7:3-4. You ar...I will answer my own question:Deut. 7:3-4. You are right Gene.<br />Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-54647124295082140982016-04-03T01:43:26.215-07:002016-04-03T01:43:26.215-07:00One more time, Gene, where in the written Bible is...One more time, Gene, where in the written Bible is there a commandment that prohibit intermarriages?<br /><br />You wrote that " the Torah commandment against intermarriage was not yet given..." can you show me where in Scriptures it was given?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-63851695428610101922016-04-02T21:52:27.199-07:002016-04-02T21:52:27.199-07:00"BTW Gene, where does the Written Torah prohi..."BTW Gene, where does the Written Torah prohibit interfaith marriages? I guess King Solomon never read it..."<br /><br />He did read it, but he ignored it and broke it. It is plain to see from the stories recorded about him that he violated Torah many times in the course of his life. Speaking of "interfaith marriages", the Bible is clear that Solomon sinned greatly by marrying pagan wives, describing how he built many shrines to their "gods", which, as punishment, directly resulted in the Jewish kingdom being eventually destroyed. So, it's clear that G-d wasn't too pleased with Solomon marrying foreign wives. Even by simply marrying so many wives to begin, regardless of them being unconverted pagans, he broke Torah (Deuteronomy 17:17).Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-51175422289812964412016-04-02T19:23:23.443-07:002016-04-02T19:23:23.443-07:00BTW Gene, where does the Written Torah prohibit in...BTW Gene, where does the Written Torah prohibit interfaith marriages? I guess King Solomon never read it...Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-22674673146663139472016-04-02T19:14:58.804-07:002016-04-02T19:14:58.804-07:00" The Torah commandment against intermarriage..." The Torah commandment against intermarriage was not yet given"<br /><br />Squizing the turnip do you? You mean the fact that the commandment was given was instantly clean the Gentole blood of Ephraim and Menasha... I get it now...Not to mention that Abraham himself was a gentile..but who is keeping score?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-52882789948427102512016-04-02T17:59:54.278-07:002016-04-02T17:59:54.278-07:00The Torah commandment against intermarriage was no...The Torah commandment against intermarriage was not yet given and Israel was not yet a nation as such. Without Torah, one could say, there was no fixed Jewish identity. And after the laws were given, one could marry only former non-Jews, righteous converts who joined the Jewish people. But if, after Torah was given, a Jew took as a wife a pagan, Gentile woman who has not embraced Judaism, that Jew violated a Torah commandment and the children of such a forbidden union are excluded from Israel and are not counted as Jews.<br /><br />That's how Ezra saw it thousands of years ago and that's how Jews still see it to this day. Do you say, Dan, that Ezra was wrong with to send away the children of non-Jewish women? Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-68469195829974908822016-04-02T15:40:30.118-07:002016-04-02T15:40:30.118-07:00Good to know Gene, that Ephraim and Menasha were n...Good to know Gene, that Ephraim and Menasha were not Jews...Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-36085142589464995202016-04-01T14:13:14.227-07:002016-04-01T14:13:14.227-07:00"One more time, Remi, biblically if the man i..."One more time, Remi, biblically if the man is Jewish so are his children, and you can jump until you are blue in the face... Halacha is man made invention it is not from God... Until the shulchan aruch there were all kinds of halachot...ignorance is bliss..."<br /><br />Dan, if that were ever true, if all it required was having a Jewish father for children to be also Jewish, Ezra, who was both a priest and scribe (a person knowledgeable in Torah and Jewish law) wouldn't have sent away Gentile wives and "their children" (Ezra 10:3). All Jews who returned to Israel with Ezra made an oath (Ezra 10:5) to send their Gentile wives and their children away. It would have been unfathomable to send away Jewish children back to idolatrous environment. Thankfully, those children were not considered "Jews" even at that time.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-68739015438404458772016-04-01T13:47:26.666-07:002016-04-01T13:47:26.666-07:00Let say that Peter "Cephas" had children...Let say that Peter "Cephas" had children... I think he did... Anyway, how long did it take before his children would have forget that they are Jewish? two, three generations at most... If what you say is right and what Judaism teaches is wrong, then thousands and thousands of "JEWS" don't know they are Jewish. So, don't call me GOY, we are all JEWS! Lost tribe, paternal descendant, who cares! What do you think this Bible verses Deut 25:6 "so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel"<br /><br />Isaiah 48:19<br />Your descendants would have been like the sand, your children like its numberless grains; their name would never be blotted out nor destroyed from before me.”<br /><br />If a jewish man marries a gentile, after a few generations, they will not remember that they were Jewish, and even if you would disagree with me that they are Jewish, nobody will remember. That's what the History teaches. If I am wrong and you are right, it does not matter,... it does not matter, because the result is the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-67059518735247148302016-04-01T12:42:58.947-07:002016-04-01T12:42:58.947-07:00One more time, Remi, biblically if the man is Jewi...One more time, Remi, biblically if the man is Jewish so are his children, and you can jump until you are blue in the face... Halacha is man made invention it is not from God... Until the shulchan aruch there were all kinds of halachot...ignorance is bliss...Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-17813663763448394402016-04-01T11:17:06.457-07:002016-04-01T11:17:06.457-07:00Read this Dan:
"And Shechaniah the son of Je...Read this Dan:<br /><br />"And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.<br /><br />3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law."<br /><br />Would it be right to put away the wives with their JEWISH sons and daughters? <br /><br />I am not ignorant of the matter, that you don't agree that the Jewish people interpret that passage and thought that it would have been an impossible thing to put away any Jewish Soul is different. Nevertheless, they decide it was not possible to put away a Jewish Soul and it would have been sinful to do so. <br /><br />For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others... Also it say "SON". Does that makes it a clear cut? No, but who are you to decide Dan? That does not make it so. If you marry a gentiles, your children are not consider Jew according to halakhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-81842350313615713222016-04-01T10:13:38.210-07:002016-04-01T10:13:38.210-07:00Remi, your ignorance in Hewish matters is astonish...Remi, your ignorance in Hewish matters is astonishing...Biblically if the father is Jewish so are his Children.Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-60982943717451020922016-04-01T08:53:40.313-07:002016-04-01T08:53:40.313-07:00Jason can Say his opinion, since when someone'...Jason can Say his opinion, since when someone's opinion is preaching? It does affect the return of the Jewish people in Israel. My wife is half Jewish, is she considered a Jew? No. Is my son Jewish? No. Simple... Can they immigrate to Israel? No. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-2520176789107336812016-04-01T08:50:59.449-07:002016-04-01T08:50:59.449-07:00That's what happens in the Messianic movement ...That's what happens in the Messianic movement (in general)... anybody makes their own rules. What is keeping Shabbat for example? Can I do my jogging? Can I light a candle? Can I go gardening? You pick an choose and everybody does what is right in their own eye. The same apples for non-orthodox Jews and Karaites in some extend, can I drive my car? Can I bake a cake? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-39446691414601408952016-04-01T08:48:57.434-07:002016-04-01T08:48:57.434-07:00I am nobody to decide, but are you telling me that...I am nobody to decide, but are you telling me that any Jew can decide? You are Jewish Dan, so, if you decide that a child from a jewish man that marries a christian woman is Jewish, then you are the only one that thinks it's like that. Anybody can decide anything, that does not make it so. If a jewish man decides to marry a non-jewish woman, the child will not be Jewish, who are YOU to decide otherwise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-74115027843525724392016-04-01T08:15:28.312-07:002016-04-01T08:15:28.312-07:00Jason, what qualifies you to preach about the fate...Jason, what qualifies you to preach about the fate of Jews?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143697192802548581.post-91757233551758920932016-04-01T08:13:21.465-07:002016-04-01T08:13:21.465-07:00Remi, what qualifies you to decide who is a Jew an...Remi, what qualifies you to decide who is a Jew and who is not? Are you Jewish?Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.com