Tuesday, March 31, 2015

The Rise of Messianic Nationalism?

So I've been reading Al McCarn's "Give Me a Place Where I May Dwell" (LINK)...  I'll eventually do a review of it--still have a few pages to go.  But he brings up an interesting point that I'd like to discuss.

First, I should explain that I do not consider myself an "Ephraimite", that I disagree with any movement amongst Gentile Believers that would promote a hint of ethnocentrism, that I believe with absolute conviction that Gentile identity in Messiah must be based on covenant through Yeshua our L-rd and Messiah.  I am interested, however, in assessing the idea of nationalism and how it might relate to our Messianic movement.


What is a nation and what is nationalism?  That's one question.  Another is:  what should nationalism be in an ideal sense?  Another way of asking the latter is:  is there a Biblical basis for nationalism for the Jewish People?  And, related to that question, is there a Biblical basis for nationalism for Gentile Believers?

It seems that nationalism is not a new phenomenon.  The first examples of nationalism do occur in the Bible--we see the emergence of the Two Houses of Israel which are types of nations.  One is forced to wonder what type of nationalist movement (if any) led to the creation of Two Houses in the first place.  And we see the nationalism in the era of Ezra/Nehemiah, in the era of the Maccabees, and in the era of Herzl.

But this Jewish nationalism is an ethno-religious (covenant) nationalism.  And, for Jews, this makes sense.  Because nationalism is traditionally defined (except in the case of the United States) as a convergence of worldview, way of life, ethno-centric social group identification, and territory (e.g. Russian nationalism, French nationalism, Jewish nationalism).  The United States being an exception in that it doesn't have the ethnocentrism (although an argument could be made that it does).


Now the benefit of a nationalist movement for Messianic Jews makes sense in that it is merely an extension of Zionism--the goal of returning Jews to their homeland.

But is this goal compatible with Messianic ideology of a unified One New Man?  Are we Gentiles to be content with being separated from our beloved Jewish brethren?  Is that the ideal state?

Or could it be that the destiny of Messianic Jews and Gentiles is intertwined?


This is a bit much to tackle in a short blog post and for that I apologize.  Let me summarize:  I'm not an Ephraimite but neither am I opposed to the goal of the Ephraimite camp.  Do we not share a common goal?  We both desire to live in a unified Messianic Israel.  The Ephraimites just have a slightly different analysis on the form that this nationalism will take and the type of national identification that Gentiles should have.  I'm simply interested in being a part of the discussion.  We shouldn't be afraid to talk about these things.

Does anyone have thoughts on the idea of nationalism and the relevance it might have to Messianics?


  1. Yes, I have thoughts:

    "and they sang a new song,

    “You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals;
    because you were slaughtered;
    at the cost of blood you ransomed for God
    persons from every tribe, language, people and nation.
    YOU MADE THEM into a kingdom for God to rule,
    cohanim to serve him;
    and THEY WILL RULE over the earth.”

    1. Please share with us how you interpret that passage. I'll confess that I find the book of Revelation to be the most difficult and intimidating book in the Bible.

  2. My gosh, if that verse needs interpreting we are all in trouble....

    1. Why are you being so unfriendly? All I did was ask you to share your thoughts about the verse.

      Are you one of those people that only likes to hear himself talk and doesn't take any pleasure in discussions with others?

    2. I'm not being unfriendly, sorry you take it that way! :)

      So, "and they sang a new song" refers to Psalm 96, where the entire earth is commanded to "sing unto the Lord, and to Psalm 150 "everything that has breath" is commanded to "praise the Lord."

      This is the nation Yeshua spoke about, those the kingdom is given to, those who "bring forth the fruits of it."

      This is the relevance of "nationalism" to the messianics. :)