- The Natural Foods Movement: a response to processed foods containing pesticides or GMOs
- Civil Rights Movement (in America): a response to racial violence and racist laws
In the same way, the Messianic Movement is a response to a perceived evil: anti-Judaism, anti-Semitism, Liberal Theology, etc. Or to put it more simply (and less nerdy): we are fighting against Satanic deception.
We want the Truth!
But how badly do we really want it? That Theological McDonald's food does taste pretty good after all...
But if you are interested in getting back to the Truth and emboldening and energizing others to do the same, you should consider leading/hosting a small group that utilizes the following INTERACTIVE workbooks from TNN Press:
Time is short, brothers and sisters. Make no mistake: Satan will try to drag everyone you love down to hell. Are you going to let him do that without a fight?
As we've noticed, both with the Civil Rights Movement and the Natural Food Movement; both have been taken over by leaders who possess different values and goals from the originators and have gone in different directions. Can you tell me something about this material and why you have chosen it?
ReplyDeleteI will tell you...Peter chose it because John McKee is a closet 2 houser.....
ReplyDeleteAFAIK, Peter is not a 2-houser. If I am wrong, please correct. My favorite people to learn from are Bill Bullock and his detailed parsha studies aka The Rabbi's Son - not for the faint of heart; Rabbi David Fohrman's 10 minute parsha insights - brilliant and easy to digest, Skip Moen's insights into the ancient language and culture, along with Frank Seekins and his study of word pictures. Then I study the Hebrew. I see no reason to learn from a person who doesn't even know the languages. I like Abraham Joshua Heschel too :)
ReplyDeleteOkay, I took a look. Already I don't like it when someone uses the term, "Old Testament," because we know where that is from. Whose idea was the tiny print?
ReplyDeleteTo Princess and Dan,
ReplyDeleteI'm a One-Houser. Yeshua is the only King of Israel which means there's only one House (and one Head of the Household). : )
And, Princess, thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them out.
To Dan,
Have a hot cup of tea with lots of honey. You'll feel better. Or invest in a punching bag. We're on the same team! : )
Like I said, John McKee is a closet 2 houser, just like Peter.....
ReplyDeletePeter, if you agree with Mckee's "assessment" of the 2 house theory, then you are a closet 2 houser....
ReplyDeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteIf you take me up on the hot tea suggestion, make sure to use decaffeinated tea.
Dan,
ReplyDeleteI already explained that you and I are in agreement and yet you feel the need to find a disagreement with me. Why is that?
Tea originated from China. Next thing you are going to tell me is that China is part of the "lost 10 tribes...." LOL!
ReplyDeletePeter, lawyers grow up to be diplomats, and are showing great early signs of the malady...Do you agree with McKee or not?
ReplyDeleteDan,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you just tell us what he said that's got you so riled up. Copy/paste the part you would like me to address.
I used to have the same bias toward those who use this label, however a jewish writer changed my mind: Amy Jill Levine in her book - The Misundertood Jew - really shows how the problem is not so much the label but what is behind it. Knowing what I know from TNN the whole title's background against which we stand is definetly not part of their theology. I would say that they use this term because of practical reasons: this still is what most of everybody understands and TNN has an obvious gift to reach to christians, so why not just talk as they talk. I believe this (talking as they talk) is pretty much what Paul is talking about in 1Corinthians 9 (be all things to all). [of course I did not come up with this explanation, it is Mark Nanos': http://www.marknanos.com/1Cor9-Leuven-9-4-09.pdf ]
ReplyDeleteIf so, than so are the Rabbis... "the ten tribes underwent three exiles [...]but from every place in which Israel is found they will come and gather."
ReplyDelete(Pes. Rab. 146b-147a - The Messiah Texts, Raphael Patai, page 183/185)
The Rabbis also said that if you buy meat from a Gentile, the meat is not clean. So because the rabbis said it, that makes it true?
ReplyDeleteWhere does Patai say that Gentiles are the descendants of the so-called "lost 10 tribes?"
When you and yours will be on the receiving end like me and mine are, then you will not talk the TNN talk...
ReplyDeleteneither does mckee on his statement
ReplyDeleteNo. He just says without any proof that the gentiles are descendants of the so-called "lost 10 tribes." He only forgot to tell us who's Gentiles are from what tribe? Could it be he does not know? (What a concept.....)....
ReplyDeleteHe never said it! Maybe we read different articles... I dont know...
ReplyDeleteLook at the quote in my comment of 19 hrs. ago.
ReplyDeleteGood point
ReplyDeleteI like Mark Nanos. However there is often a disconnect between the scholars who are thinkers and researchers, and the popular communicators who are accessible, yet often play fast and loose with facts. I understand that pretty much everything out there is geared toward gentiles, as they are the larger market. So, for those of us who are Jewish believers, there is nothing for us in MessyWorld where we are outnumbered and outgunned. So, rather than fight, I leave what they have taken over to the victors.
ReplyDeleteI read the article. It seems so much effort is devoted to apologetics of various viewpoints, and little is focused on assisting people in actually walking in torah following Yeshua. I know, people aren't being added by the ruach daily, they need to fight over customers, and since they aren't attracting new people or helping others grow, they have nothing else left to do but argue continually over things that don't benefit. I am not saying that argument for the sake of heaven is not useful.
ReplyDeleteAgree, that is the problem with gentiles teaching torah; they lack the racial memory and identification, and rarely have equivalent education. Enough of the frauds who love to call themselves, "rabbi," for the sake of honor. If you are going to use that honorific, then you should possess the same education and qualifications as any traditional Jewish rabbi. I could call myself rabbi and have just as much, if not more justification; something I would never do.
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